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		<title>By: Милан again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Милан again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem. It was strange to me that you even published my comments, because a strict censorship is present in all Serbia&#039;s democratic media. You can not write negative comments about EU because such comments will not be published in the mainstream media. Text &quot;Europe has no alternative,&quot; explains a lot ... If someone just tries to critically consider the entry of Serbia into the EU, he is immediately declared as obscurantist, eccentric, dreamer, extreme nationalist, in other words, completely discredited as an interlocutor.

The bombing was the final act of breaking the economic Serbia, which terribly suffered because of economic blockade and hyperinflation before ...
Directly responsible for all this 
are countries in Western Europe and the USA.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUn-cONTrxk&amp;feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQPYITT7fvI&amp;feature=related

My mistake, I was not precise enough. I took as an example of my municipality in which 40% of employees lost their jobs in the period 1999-2009. They were employed in the real production sector. While 40% of manufacturing workers lost their jobs, only less than 5% found a job in the administration and thus we have increased public spending. This was done during a democratic and pro-European government. 
In the period from 2003 to 2009 Serbia has increased the public sector for an amazing 60% more employees in the various administrations. 
The conclusion is clear, the new democratic and pro European government performs vital reforms backward! 
Complete Serbian economy can be divided into 2 parts: import lobby (for the whole of Serbia know this term) and wretched remains that actually produce something. 
Pro-European and democratic government has helped to increase imports with a series of  benefit for the importers, the most important of which is artificially strong dinar exchange rate against the euro. Unlike China, which has artificially weak yuan to the dollar exchange rate and euro and thus stimulate strong exports. 
Pro-European policy, &quot;Serbian&quot; government has brought to a huge and uncontrolled borrowing. The NBS report states that the total external debt Serbia in 2008. year reached about $ 30 billion or about 21 billion euros. Then it says that the average interest on the debt is 4.96%.When we have this in mind, we come to the conclusion that, based only on interest to foreign creditors in 2008. year, Serbia paid about 1 billion euros! NBS also states that, in the same period, we paid 2.3 billion euros of debt principal to the foreign creditors. So, Serbia in 2008. year paid a total of approximately 3.3 billion euro to the foreign creditors? This amount is comparable with 40% of the Serbian budget adopted in December 2008! Specifically, the Serbian state, citizens and companies, allocated a sum that is comparable to the 40% Serbian budget, not for their benefit and welfare of their families and the Serbian economy, but to pay interest and debt to the western creditors (or the maintain a economical and social system that exists in the rich members of the European Union and the U.S.). To make this situation even more absurd, the Serbian foreign debt is not reduced in the 2008. On the contrary, the Serbian foreign debt has increased! 
All this borrowing and other actions of so-called Serbian authorities are determined to support his statements in the high commissioners of the EU. 
They are supported by the party in the elections, even blackmail and direct impact on Serbian voters ... 
All this time Russia supported the Serbian economy by selling gas to Serbia at the lowest price in Europe, with the exception of Belarus. In this way, the Serbian economy is subsidized with hundreds of millions of euros. Before the &quot;democratic government&quot; (until 2001) Serbia paid the Russian gas and oil in goods, so that the trade balance was much better for Serbia. &quot;Our&quot; pro-European &quot;government has caused direct damage to all inhabitants of Serbia, or what they like to say in the the&quot; west &quot; - &quot;shot itself in the leg&quot;... 
EU member states also understand this creature will prove disastrous for them, as you can see in these two videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj4crMCg-XY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJhsfPGL6To&amp;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem. It was strange to me that you even published my comments, because a strict censorship is present in all Serbia&#8217;s democratic media. You can not write negative comments about EU because such comments will not be published in the mainstream media. Text &#8220;Europe has no alternative,&#8221; explains a lot &#8230; If someone just tries to critically consider the entry of Serbia into the EU, he is immediately declared as obscurantist, eccentric, dreamer, extreme nationalist, in other words, completely discredited as an interlocutor.</p>
<p>The bombing was the final act of breaking the economic Serbia, which terribly suffered because of economic blockade and hyperinflation before &#8230;<br />
Directly responsible for all this<br />
are countries in Western Europe and the USA.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUn-cONTrxk&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUn-cONTrxk&amp;feature=related</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQPYITT7fvI&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQPYITT7fvI&amp;feature=related</a></p>
<p>My mistake, I was not precise enough. I took as an example of my municipality in which 40% of employees lost their jobs in the period 1999-2009. They were employed in the real production sector. While 40% of manufacturing workers lost their jobs, only less than 5% found a job in the administration and thus we have increased public spending. This was done during a democratic and pro-European government.<br />
In the period from 2003 to 2009 Serbia has increased the public sector for an amazing 60% more employees in the various administrations.<br />
The conclusion is clear, the new democratic and pro European government performs vital reforms backward!<br />
Complete Serbian economy can be divided into 2 parts: import lobby (for the whole of Serbia know this term) and wretched remains that actually produce something.<br />
Pro-European and democratic government has helped to increase imports with a series of  benefit for the importers, the most important of which is artificially strong dinar exchange rate against the euro. Unlike China, which has artificially weak yuan to the dollar exchange rate and euro and thus stimulate strong exports.<br />
Pro-European policy, &#8220;Serbian&#8221; government has brought to a huge and uncontrolled borrowing. The NBS report states that the total external debt Serbia in 2008. year reached about $ 30 billion or about 21 billion euros. Then it says that the average interest on the debt is 4.96%.When we have this in mind, we come to the conclusion that, based only on interest to foreign creditors in 2008. year, Serbia paid about 1 billion euros! NBS also states that, in the same period, we paid 2.3 billion euros of debt principal to the foreign creditors. So, Serbia in 2008. year paid a total of approximately 3.3 billion euro to the foreign creditors? This amount is comparable with 40% of the Serbian budget adopted in December 2008! Specifically, the Serbian state, citizens and companies, allocated a sum that is comparable to the 40% Serbian budget, not for their benefit and welfare of their families and the Serbian economy, but to pay interest and debt to the western creditors (or the maintain a economical and social system that exists in the rich members of the European Union and the U.S.). To make this situation even more absurd, the Serbian foreign debt is not reduced in the 2008. On the contrary, the Serbian foreign debt has increased!<br />
All this borrowing and other actions of so-called Serbian authorities are determined to support his statements in the high commissioners of the EU.<br />
They are supported by the party in the elections, even blackmail and direct impact on Serbian voters &#8230;<br />
All this time Russia supported the Serbian economy by selling gas to Serbia at the lowest price in Europe, with the exception of Belarus. In this way, the Serbian economy is subsidized with hundreds of millions of euros. Before the &#8220;democratic government&#8221; (until 2001) Serbia paid the Russian gas and oil in goods, so that the trade balance was much better for Serbia. &#8220;Our&#8221; pro-European &#8220;government has caused direct damage to all inhabitants of Serbia, or what they like to say in the the&#8221; west &#8221; &#8211; &#8220;shot itself in the leg&#8221;&#8230;<br />
EU member states also understand this creature will prove disastrous for them, as you can see in these two videos:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj4crMCg-XY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj4crMCg-XY</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJhsfPGL6To&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJhsfPGL6To&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: EU citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>EU citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I am a Greek, and I would like to comment that from the point of view of the citizens&#039; welfare, I am not so sure that Greece has benefited so much from being in the EU. We are a country of the Eurozone, which means that this hard currency, a benefit for countries such as Germany, with strong, industry-based economies, is in fact harmful to countries that do not have similar economies, and have poor state mechanisms to control prices such as Greece. When we adopted the Euro, the price of essential products such as foods, immediately increased by more than 100%, in some cases. However, the wages did not increase accordingly. Greek governments since the time we entered the eurozone have been pressing the people to make more &quot;sacrifices&quot;, that is accept less payment for more hours of work, because &quot;the EU demands that we lower our deficit below 3%&quot;. This (deficits below 3%) was one of the conditions that Germany imposed before accepting the creation of the Euro. Anything a country might get from the EU, is certainly not for free. At this point, we are a experiencing a slowdown of our economy, with even fewer new jobs, higher prices, and less payment than the time we joined the EU. The excuse this time? The financial &quot;crisis&quot;. Since the economy of the EU was linked to that of the US, the EU has to suffer the consequences when the US economy suffers, but somehow does not share the profits when the US economy thrives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I am a Greek, and I would like to comment that from the point of view of the citizens&#8217; welfare, I am not so sure that Greece has benefited so much from being in the EU. We are a country of the Eurozone, which means that this hard currency, a benefit for countries such as Germany, with strong, industry-based economies, is in fact harmful to countries that do not have similar economies, and have poor state mechanisms to control prices such as Greece. When we adopted the Euro, the price of essential products such as foods, immediately increased by more than 100%, in some cases. However, the wages did not increase accordingly. Greek governments since the time we entered the eurozone have been pressing the people to make more &#8220;sacrifices&#8221;, that is accept less payment for more hours of work, because &#8220;the EU demands that we lower our deficit below 3%&#8221;. This (deficits below 3%) was one of the conditions that Germany imposed before accepting the creation of the Euro. Anything a country might get from the EU, is certainly not for free. At this point, we are a experiencing a slowdown of our economy, with even fewer new jobs, higher prices, and less payment than the time we joined the EU. The excuse this time? The financial &#8220;crisis&#8221;. Since the economy of the EU was linked to that of the US, the EU has to suffer the consequences when the US economy suffers, but somehow does not share the profits when the US economy thrives.</p>
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		<title>By: jd</title>
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		<dc:creator>jd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly, thanks for taking the time and effort to comment, especially a well thought out and well written comment like this. I appreciate the feedback and stimulated by the discussion. 

There is no doubt the bombing caused massive destruction to the economy. It is still recovering 10 years later. That said it is but one factor amongst many that has retarded growth, in particular Foreign Direct Investment. Those factors include the unsolved problem of corruption at all levels of government, the slow progress of legal reform, political instability and violence 

The foreign trade deficit is indeed directly related to the flood of credit into the economy. Serbs have, like the Western masses before them, been fooled into participating in the great consumer credit swindle. Billions of Euro of loans have been given to people and they have promptly squandered that money on consumer goods. This is global phenomenon (or was, before the crisis) and not the EU&#039;s fault.  Blame the banks and the Serbian government for not regulating the consumer credit markets. 

The loss of public sector jobs like municipality jobs is a natural consequence of post-Socialist reforms. Serbia, like other socialist countries of the region had (and still has) a massively bloated and unproductive public sector. Overpayment of the public sector is a leading driver of inflation too. Cutting these jobs is politically difficult and seems destructive, but this is a vital reform. 

You seem to be saying that Serbia is like some African country that is being strong-armed into free trade agreements that go against its interests and being forced to compete at a disadvantage against European rivals in a deregulated market. 

This ignores the fact that most of Serbia&#039;s economic problems are indigenous (corruption, no effective legal recourse, the consequences of war and sanctions, brain drain, political instability, previous budget deficits etc etc). It also ignores that fact that protectionism is a two way sword that can damage as much as it appears to help. Finally it ignores the fact that reforms expected of all EU applicants are agreed best practices for economic management and governance. 

Objections to the EU by Eurosceptics is based on the social and political consequences of membership (the loss of sovereignty) not economic arguments.  The economic benefits are so obvious that these are the reasons for staying in the union that even militant Eurosceptics cannot argue with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, thanks for taking the time and effort to comment, especially a well thought out and well written comment like this. I appreciate the feedback and stimulated by the discussion. </p>
<p>There is no doubt the bombing caused massive destruction to the economy. It is still recovering 10 years later. That said it is but one factor amongst many that has retarded growth, in particular Foreign Direct Investment. Those factors include the unsolved problem of corruption at all levels of government, the slow progress of legal reform, political instability and violence </p>
<p>The foreign trade deficit is indeed directly related to the flood of credit into the economy. Serbs have, like the Western masses before them, been fooled into participating in the great consumer credit swindle. Billions of Euro of loans have been given to people and they have promptly squandered that money on consumer goods. This is global phenomenon (or was, before the crisis) and not the EU&#8217;s fault.  Blame the banks and the Serbian government for not regulating the consumer credit markets. </p>
<p>The loss of public sector jobs like municipality jobs is a natural consequence of post-Socialist reforms. Serbia, like other socialist countries of the region had (and still has) a massively bloated and unproductive public sector. Overpayment of the public sector is a leading driver of inflation too. Cutting these jobs is politically difficult and seems destructive, but this is a vital reform. </p>
<p>You seem to be saying that Serbia is like some African country that is being strong-armed into free trade agreements that go against its interests and being forced to compete at a disadvantage against European rivals in a deregulated market. </p>
<p>This ignores the fact that most of Serbia&#8217;s economic problems are indigenous (corruption, no effective legal recourse, the consequences of war and sanctions, brain drain, political instability, previous budget deficits etc etc). It also ignores that fact that protectionism is a two way sword that can damage as much as it appears to help. Finally it ignores the fact that reforms expected of all EU applicants are agreed best practices for economic management and governance. </p>
<p>Objections to the EU by Eurosceptics is based on the social and political consequences of membership (the loss of sovereignty) not economic arguments.  The economic benefits are so obvious that these are the reasons for staying in the union that even militant Eurosceptics cannot argue with.</p>
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		<title>By: Милан again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Милан again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We Serbs don&#039;t have any benefits from entrance in the EU, but only loses in the period since 2001. By the year 2008, there has been enormous growth in Serbian foreign trade deficit. Only in 2008, the trade deficit has reached a whopping 12 billion dollars. Also, the cumulative trade deficit in the period from 2001 to 2008 was over 50 billion dollars. If you know that over 50% of Serbia&#039;s trade is conducted with the EU, then you come to the conclusion that the Serbian foreign trade deficit increased because of one-sided orientation towards the EU (or to the EU market). So, Serbia has not achieved positive results in trade with the EU in the period since 2001. At the conclusion of such points a scandalous fact that Serbia failed, in the period since 2001, to reach the level of industrial production from 1998 (therefore, from before war situation in Kosovo and Metohija). Also, unemployment in the same period is not reduced. On the contrary, it was increased in this period when the benefits are applied in trade with the EU.

Only in the period from 1995 to 2001, the EU and it&#039;s Member States (according the record which leads the WTO (World Trade Organization)) introduced 14,000 new technical regulations and standards. We can only assume how much trade barriers are created by those technical regulations and standards.
Therefore, the new protectionism is built using non-tariff barriers. But possibility for this have only the large and rich. Or, the EU, above all. Poor countries such as Serbia, remain the custom taxes, as the &quot;last line of defense&quot; of domestic production. However, using the phrase &quot;free trade&quot; and the political imposition of a damaging contracts such as the Interim Trade Agreement, and such protection shall be abolished. Which means growing foreign trade deficit in Serbia, as well as unemployment. For these reasons, industrial production may never reach the 1998 level. All this, despite the fact that since 2000 the Serbian regime was in an alleged free trade with the EU. Therefore, there can be no speech about some kind of fair trade between the EU and Serbia, but only on the exploitation of Serbia by Brussels...

In the period 1999-2009 about 40% of employees in my municipality lost their jobs, which is entirely expected because Serbian imports huge quantities of finished products from the EU, and exports far less goods and raw materials and semi products. Lack of foreign exchange is compensated by credits. So Serbia takes the interest money to buy consumer goods from the EU. Our economy becomes more similar to the economy of the African colonies, we have become the raw material base of the developed European countries. But still we have not reached the level of Hungary, which has 200 billion euros of debt and 7 billion interest per year. The EU has not solved the problem in Hungary, but only prolong the agony of new loans. Hungary still does not produce anything, it&#039;s economy is based on the virtual services.
As Bulgaria and Romania, although they have a higher GDP per capita, the average income is still smaller then here. So it is difficult to convince the average citizen of Bulgaria or Romania that they live better than the average population of Serbia. There are Romanians who have moved and work permanently in Belgrade, but also in some smaller places.
The conclusion is that most of the EU countries supported the sanctions, participated in the bombing of the Serbs in Bosnia and Croatia in 1995 and Serbia and Montenegro in 1999. Damage caused In 1999 is over 36 billion euros directly (according to the estimates pro-European parties), and a huge indirect damages as well as human victims. After that EU companies bought, below price, factories that produce goods that are not worth transported: sugar, cement, packaging, milk ... And the same goods sold exclusively on the Serbian market, with huge profits, as they allow the state monopoly and allow them to destroy the weaker Serbian companies.
Most EU investments, however relates to the purchase of ownership shares in Serbian banks, so that Serbia during this decade was flooded with a huge consumer credit interest (the biggest in Europe), while it was impossible to get a favorable development loan that would enable development of an enterprise.
If you want we can accurately analyze all German, Austrian and Greek investments to prove that they are not useful for the development of Serbian economy.
 By the way, Norway is not a member of the EU ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We Serbs don&#8217;t have any benefits from entrance in the EU, but only loses in the period since 2001. By the year 2008, there has been enormous growth in Serbian foreign trade deficit. Only in 2008, the trade deficit has reached a whopping 12 billion dollars. Also, the cumulative trade deficit in the period from 2001 to 2008 was over 50 billion dollars. If you know that over 50% of Serbia&#8217;s trade is conducted with the EU, then you come to the conclusion that the Serbian foreign trade deficit increased because of one-sided orientation towards the EU (or to the EU market). So, Serbia has not achieved positive results in trade with the EU in the period since 2001. At the conclusion of such points a scandalous fact that Serbia failed, in the period since 2001, to reach the level of industrial production from 1998 (therefore, from before war situation in Kosovo and Metohija). Also, unemployment in the same period is not reduced. On the contrary, it was increased in this period when the benefits are applied in trade with the EU.</p>
<p>Only in the period from 1995 to 2001, the EU and it&#8217;s Member States (according the record which leads the WTO (World Trade Organization)) introduced 14,000 new technical regulations and standards. We can only assume how much trade barriers are created by those technical regulations and standards.<br />
Therefore, the new protectionism is built using non-tariff barriers. But possibility for this have only the large and rich. Or, the EU, above all. Poor countries such as Serbia, remain the custom taxes, as the &#8220;last line of defense&#8221; of domestic production. However, using the phrase &#8220;free trade&#8221; and the political imposition of a damaging contracts such as the Interim Trade Agreement, and such protection shall be abolished. Which means growing foreign trade deficit in Serbia, as well as unemployment. For these reasons, industrial production may never reach the 1998 level. All this, despite the fact that since 2000 the Serbian regime was in an alleged free trade with the EU. Therefore, there can be no speech about some kind of fair trade between the EU and Serbia, but only on the exploitation of Serbia by Brussels&#8230;</p>
<p>In the period 1999-2009 about 40% of employees in my municipality lost their jobs, which is entirely expected because Serbian imports huge quantities of finished products from the EU, and exports far less goods and raw materials and semi products. Lack of foreign exchange is compensated by credits. So Serbia takes the interest money to buy consumer goods from the EU. Our economy becomes more similar to the economy of the African colonies, we have become the raw material base of the developed European countries. But still we have not reached the level of Hungary, which has 200 billion euros of debt and 7 billion interest per year. The EU has not solved the problem in Hungary, but only prolong the agony of new loans. Hungary still does not produce anything, it&#8217;s economy is based on the virtual services.<br />
As Bulgaria and Romania, although they have a higher GDP per capita, the average income is still smaller then here. So it is difficult to convince the average citizen of Bulgaria or Romania that they live better than the average population of Serbia. There are Romanians who have moved and work permanently in Belgrade, but also in some smaller places.<br />
The conclusion is that most of the EU countries supported the sanctions, participated in the bombing of the Serbs in Bosnia and Croatia in 1995 and Serbia and Montenegro in 1999. Damage caused In 1999 is over 36 billion euros directly (according to the estimates pro-European parties), and a huge indirect damages as well as human victims. After that EU companies bought, below price, factories that produce goods that are not worth transported: sugar, cement, packaging, milk &#8230; And the same goods sold exclusively on the Serbian market, with huge profits, as they allow the state monopoly and allow them to destroy the weaker Serbian companies.<br />
Most EU investments, however relates to the purchase of ownership shares in Serbian banks, so that Serbia during this decade was flooded with a huge consumer credit interest (the biggest in Europe), while it was impossible to get a favorable development loan that would enable development of an enterprise.<br />
If you want we can accurately analyze all German, Austrian and Greek investments to prove that they are not useful for the development of Serbian economy.<br />
 By the way, Norway is not a member of the EU &#8230;</p>
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